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Post Who really rules?
It's been an idea and a conspiracy and many other things for a long time, but recent events have really drilled the point home for me.

Do we (in the U.S.A., and other parts of the "Western World") really live in a Democracy? Or even a Republic (or any other claimed form of government with some control by the general people)?

I followed the Republican primaries here, not really expecting much and not very involved (I'm not a Republican, I'm an unaffiliated independant). I didn't think much good would come out of it, but I saw some promising things emerge, only to reveal in full daylight certain aspects of our political system. I saw the Ron Paul campaign, and I saw how it was treated, and I likewise saw the numbers, the videos, the algorithyms, the rules and the games played showing attempts (successful at times) to commit election fraud against Ron Paul, usually in favor of Mitt Romney, but not always. Was Mitt Romney himself behind it? I don't know, but my suspicions now are he doesn't really run his own campaign anyway. He's just a spokesperson as it were.

Now, I learned to like some of Ron Paul's policies a few years ago, after originally thinking he was some crazy guy based on what some of his supporters were saying. But I've never been fully behind him. I was over the course of his campaign drawn to like him much more simply in contrast to his compitition, and even more as a result of the sleazy dealing elsewhere (what can I say, when someone is being cheated, I tend to favor them over the cheater). In any case, I didn't really expect him from the beginning to get the nomination, but I did call very early on (and told coworkers who disbelieved) that it was going to come down to Ron Paul and Mitt Romney, and that the others weren't even really in it for the long haul.

Despite all the low level attempts to keep Ron Paul out of nomination during the process, from misreporting vote counts, to lack of any real coverage while ignoring major events happening around him, to illegally closing conventions and having people arrested that continued to follow the rules and elect delegets, and all kinds of other shinanigans, Ron Paul still managed to qualify for nomination at the convention, which would have made things interesting, and would have shown that the process itself is not completely corrupt.

But the convention showed the true colors. Last minute rule changes, decided without a real vote despite large dissent, designed specifically to prevent only Ron Paul from entering nomination and being able to speak, and changing future primaries so that state caucuses and primary processes don't actually matter anymore (delegates can now be removed and reappointed by a presumptive nominee). A state's convention arbitrarily nullified and delegates reappointed not by anyone from the state, but by the RNC itself, to which other delegates and the state governor protested but were ignored or booed away. Buses "lost for hours" that carried key officials in opposition to many changes until after votes were finished. More problems, but to top it off, when the delegates that Ron Paul did earn put in their votes, mics were cut off to prevent media from hearing it, and the votes were displayed as "other".

To some extent, I think this was the purpose of that campaign carrying on, to show what our politics really is. It's not just about Ron Paul, bits of this have been seen before, and ignored largely by many, or just not seen. If you search enough you'll find confirmed reports of election and voter fraud in every presidential and other major elections for the last century. If you look at who does most the campaign funding for the candidates, you'll find the same people funding both Democrat and Republican candidates. If you look at the records and also understand the principal of manipulating by playing off both sides, you see some common goals with trivial distractions. If you look at the powers granted to the government now, you'll see we hardly live in a "free society" anymore, and that's largely in all Western Countries.

So, who really rules? Do you guys think the people ultimately still rule? Are we just following media manipulation, or do we think for ourselves (either would still indicate we actually rule, though maybe badly)? Or are there people behind the scenes that rally call the shots. Are the elections just a charade to distract us and make us think we are in control so we don't revolt against our real rulers?

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Post Re: Who really rules?
As far as the world goes, you guys are stuck being ruled by a pack of morons who prefer 'stability' over development.

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Post Re: Who really rules?
Those who actually are calling the shots probably aren't morons. Hell, even their politician fronts probably aren't as stupid as they appear. It's all just a distraction and something to blame to keep us from questioning what is really going on. And from what I can tell, a lot of the same people are in control elsewhere, or at least have strong influence.

As for stability: of course. Rulers always prefer stability. If the status quo holds up, they stay in power. "Progress" in any direction other than in one controled and known to maintain what they really care about, is dangerous. It runs the risk of loosing power.

You've read 1984, right?

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1984? Yeah. That's where I got the whole 'stability over progress' idea.

I was referring to the morons at the 'party' levels.

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Post Re: Who really rules?
Yea, they have a lot of people fooled at certain levels of the parties. Again similar to 1984, the outer circle is controlled and clueless.

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Post Re: Who really rules?
seriously? such a blatant display of corruption?

were fucked, aren't we, I guess we should just start pushing for revolt instead of reform

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I'm trying i'm trying~ i'm making I'll try too slowly up my posting. At least once a day for a bit. Then I'll up that too twice, then four, then 8 and so on.
Until eventually I wake up one morning and find out that I am actually an Idiot hero.
On some quest too cheat on his gf or raise affection of 5 women who conveniently live in my the same dorm as me.
In which I only have 100 days to seduce them all.

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Post Re: Who really rules?
HAH. I've always said this kind of shit was going on but had no concrete cases to present, just my instinct. All my thanks for providing those facts.

I honestly don't think the people control shit; I've always believed this was just a comfortable illusion forged entirely for the purpose of preventing major unrest and appeasing the people. (Which Democracy, as much as I may hate it, is very damn efficient at).

As for your question about mass-media, yes, that's one of the reasons why, as I said, I hate democracy. Mass medias here where I live are particularly blatant examples of this with the 2011 nationals and now the just-ended 2012 provincials. "News" network here are completely partial. Some of them are better at hiding it or making it more subtle, but they are. Medias here are actively and purposefully trying to influence voting tendencies and the image of parties. One I particularly hate is making it pretty damn obvious by being extremely aggressive and hostile in his interviews with some politicians and completely cocksucking with others. This trend also showed itself on public debates where the hosts were also very partial.

But the saddest part is, as Yom said, we're surrounded by hordes of morons who can't see jack shit of what happens and just eat up all that crap the medias and politicians spoonfeed them like it's gold. THIS is why Democracy is the worst system ever invented in my opinion. The "Decision" is in the "hands" of people who have not a single fucking clue what they're doing. They vote for things they don't even understand a quarter of. Though I'll have to say the system is slightly less corrupted here so the ignorant masses do have a power "somewhat" they're just very heavily prone to being influenced by whoever puts on a Dr./Pr. tag and a suit.

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Post Re: Who really rules?
The best way to describe the RNC:



Old Man yells at Chair.





But in all seriousness, the majority of things are run by the media. One can claim that it's liberal bias, and the other can claim that it's not. Truth is, everyone gets their information from the media, no one knows that's really happening besides what the media tells them.
All in all, if you actually watch the news, read the news, the radio, pretty much anything on TV, you can conclude that what really has the power over here, is the media. It controls what we see, how we understand what we see, and what we should think about it.


The other thing you can see is that also, our system is seriously fucked right now. You can't say or do anything without offending the other side (No matter what side you are on) and if you aren't even on one of the two prominent sides, then you are looked at as a waste of vote and a waste of idea.
It's sad really, we are losing our ability of free thinking and turning into a country of mindless, humorless fucktards.
Our civilization is about to crumble, and we're too busy fighting over whether we should call it a "Christmas" tree.
I think there are those behind the curtains that are really calling the shots, have all the power. And as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and now it's starting to show, Honestly, I have no hope for the Western Civilization anymore. Good thing I'm going to Europe.

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Post Re: Who really rules?
Simply put: wait.
the time will come when the government has one too many failures and lies and the american people finally get sick of it and mass revolt and riot. stupid as the general population is one thing Americans are good at is destroying shit.


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And the place is flooded with guns?

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Post Re: Who really rules?
zared sabretooth brings up the best point ive ever seen for staying in america, the simple right to bear arms and the underlying human nature of americans would make the best revolt, again, ill hope for revolt, let history repeat itself

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I'm trying i'm trying~ i'm making I'll try too slowly up my posting. At least once a day for a bit. Then I'll up that too twice, then four, then 8 and so on.
Until eventually I wake up one morning and find out that I am actually an Idiot hero.
On some quest too cheat on his gf or raise affection of 5 women who conveniently live in my the same dorm as me.
In which I only have 100 days to seduce them all.

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Post Re: Who really rules?
Only if I get to handle the canons.

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Post Re: Who really rules?
Nomed wrote:
In regards to n0th1n's original post I noticed all of this back in the 2008 presidential election. The self proclaimed mainstream media (msm) controls what most of the people hear, read, and see that happens in the world. Since one political party controls the msm it's starting to look like Pravada. Anyone who says different from the msm's marching orders are branded 'extremists', called liars, and are slandered relentlessly. It is obvious if you follow one story across the local & national nbc, cbs, abc, cnn headline news, and their affiliates all use the exact story almost word for word with different people reading the 'story'. If you can find a clip of it or see it in action it is very fucking creepy and shows that some entity is controlling it all. If it wasn't for the 'alternative media' thousands of stories would be buried and evidence would be destroyed.

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And the place is flooded with guns?
The difference between a free person and a slave is the right and means to defend one's self. I personally have 10 firearms all purchased legally and I'm proficient in their maintenance and use. I happen to be a fairly good shot even with my failing eyesight. This reminds me of my desktop image " Here are two facts to make every patriot smile: 1. In the history of mankind, it only takes 3% of a population to take up arms and WIN against a tyranny. 2. The largest standind army on earth is the registered hunters from just three American stats (and they already know how to stalk and shoot). Don't know about you, but I'm smiling."


You'll need an armored bunker and some AT weapons.

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